tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post4362196176981963098..comments2024-03-25T16:51:04.370-05:00Comments on <a href="http://ionarts.blogspot.com/">Ionarts</a>: Ionarts in Provence: Boulez and Berlin PhilharmonicCharles T. Downeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14978821617871429169noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-2356000665649663912007-07-13T08:56:00.000-05:002007-07-13T08:56:00.000-05:00" ...begs one to ask whether contemporary classica..." ...begs one to ask whether contemporary classical music in the 21st century has surpassed these monumental works in regard to formalism...."<BR/><BR/>Yes, I believe that in the 21st century (and beginning in the 1980s and 1990s), Harrison Birtwistle surpassed these works in regard to formalism. I suggest relistening carefully to Birtwistle's Earth Dances and Pulse Shadows (or his Exody, if youGarth Trinklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11084463787729969177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-80563863118929012942007-07-12T15:11:00.000-05:002007-07-12T15:11:00.000-05:00That's fine, though, that there's not been a "main...That's fine, though, that there's not been a "mainstream replacement for tonality". This kind of musical modernism will always always always be for a niche audience within the wider orchestral scene and that's OK. I don't expect most people to listen to Birtwistle or whoever, but I wish the people who like the kind of music Mr. Boulez programmed would lay off the special pleading and I wish the Henry Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15871451112170286316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-73225407338023407352007-07-10T03:37:00.000-05:002007-07-10T03:37:00.000-05:00Thanks for the comment. To be less cryptic, I wis...Thanks for the comment. To be less cryptic, I wish this music were more mainstream to modern audiences and had had the chance to blossom without cultural disruptions. An nice example of a belated appreciation of art from this period is found in the 2001 opening of the Leopold Museum in Vinna. Overall, there has yet to be found a mainstream replacement for tonality.Michael Lodicohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04689017729693889908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-19697878001342402492007-07-09T18:41:00.000-05:002007-07-09T18:41:00.000-05:00"One wonders how far this compositional tradition ..."One wonders how far this compositional tradition would have developed without the musical and political dislocations of World War I and World War II."<BR/><BR/>Are you suggesting that that tradition (dodecaphony I assume you mean?) <I>did not</I> get developed much, or properly further?? Or that it pointed somewhere else? Did you mean to suggest anything at all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com