tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post113211381596466576..comments2024-03-25T16:51:04.370-05:00Comments on <a href="http://ionarts.blogspot.com/">Ionarts</a>: The Little PrinceCharles T. Downeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14978821617871429169noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133297212533361752005-11-29T15:46:00.000-05:002005-11-29T15:46:00.000-05:00Back to accessible and modern operas, I see that ...Back to accessible and modern operas, I see that NPR's World of Opera is supposed to have broadcast, or will broadcast, about six modern American operas during the calendar year 2005 (or about 10 per cent, depending on how you count):<BR/><BR/>http://www.npr.org/programs/worldofopera/programlistings/<BR/><BR/>I don't know what the local (WETA-FM) broadcast schedule is. (It is substantially Garth Trinklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11084463787729969177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133281348181634592005-11-29T11:22:00.000-05:002005-11-29T11:22:00.000-05:00Garth, fine, you are not a revolutionary. ;-)My fa...Garth, fine, you are not a revolutionary. ;-)<BR/><BR/>My favorite example is Stravinsky's <EM>Rite of Spring</EM>. If a work is included in a Disney movie, I think we can assume that it is fairly popular.Charles T. Downeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14978821617871429169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133279048795891582005-11-29T10:44:00.000-05:002005-11-29T10:44:00.000-05:00I recall, eons ago, accompanying a group of Stanfo...<I>I recall, eons ago, accompanying a group of Stanford U. freshmen to stand for the San Francisco Opera's production of Peter Grimes, and that the high culture neophytes had no problem with the music or the opera. Nor do I imagine that they swore off of 20th c. music forever after that evening. [I know that they didn't because later that fall some of the same students attended with me ... jflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03017753357752263113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133274182370219942005-11-29T09:23:00.000-05:002005-11-29T09:23:00.000-05:00I didn't think that we were talking about Carter a...I didn't think that we were talking about Carter and Rihm, but about those pesky 20th c. composers forced down the throats of orchestral subscribers and patrons; composers such as ... Richard Strauss and George Gershwin! I can't imagine the truckloads of angry letters that the NSO is now receiving protesting Loren Maazel's upcoming all - Richard Strauss fest with the NSO in January. And didn't Garth Trinklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11084463787729969177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133238770610526972005-11-28T23:32:00.000-05:002005-11-28T23:32:00.000-05:00as a german, i think *i* should be in charge of th...as a german, i think *i* should be in charge of the cultural re-education tends... oh... well, maybe better not. [imagine me with Dr.Strangelove gestures - a W.Rihm and H.W.Henze score in the other hand]<BR/><BR/>charles has experimented (i think it was him) with playing kids modern music in a film/movie context -- in which such music is most readily accepted and even enjoyed. so he has a very jflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03017753357752263113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133223538698545332005-11-28T19:18:00.000-05:002005-11-28T19:18:00.000-05:00Garth, ;-)Come the revolution, we will put you in ...Garth, ;-)<BR/>Come the revolution, we will put you in charge of the cultural re-education camps.Charles T. Downeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14978821617871429169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133216627665237862005-11-28T17:23:00.000-05:002005-11-28T17:23:00.000-05:00I think that we all need to dust off that great 19...I think that we all need to dust off that great 19th c. warhorse -- Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf -- and get PBS to broadcast it at least once a month on both television and radio.<BR/><BR/>(Thanks Charles and jens (and Frank and Mark) for all the excellent reviews.)Garth Trinklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11084463787729969177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133212520274287932005-11-28T16:15:00.000-05:002005-11-28T16:15:00.000-05:00You may be more optimistic than I am, which is pro...You may be more optimistic than I am, which is probably good. But in my experience age has nothing to do with this attitude. In fact, young people can be among the most close-minded. This is probably only going to get worse, since so few children are exposed to classical music in schools anymore.Charles T. Downeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14978821617871429169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133203163542588692005-11-28T13:39:00.000-05:002005-11-28T13:39:00.000-05:00I have spoken to many people who attend lots of co...<I> I have spoken to many people who attend lots of concerts -- even some who have subscriptions --who are quite ignorant of 20th-century music and routinely wish that their orchestra would never program it.</I><BR/><BR/>Charles, do you really think that the blue-haired dinosaurs who think that Western music ended with Brahms (and not Elgar, Rachmaninoff, Vaughan Williams, Walton, Britten, BarberGarth Trinklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11084463787729969177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133196862468501322005-11-28T11:54:00.000-05:002005-11-28T11:54:00.000-05:00Garth, my point was not that orchestras are not pr...Garth, my point was not that orchestras are not programming that music, which as you point out they certainly are, but that many audience members have a biased predisposition against it, largely through ignorance. I have spoken to many people who attend lots of concerts -- even some who have subscriptions -- who are quite ignorant of 20th-century music and routinely wish that their orchestra Charles T. Downeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14978821617871429169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133195018188801252005-11-28T11:23:00.000-05:002005-11-28T11:23:00.000-05:00many people, and not just this critic, perceive mo...<I> many people, and not just this critic, perceive most 20th-century music in this (ill-informed) negative way.</I><BR/><BR/>Charles, this broad statement about "most 20th - century music" isn't really true. Whenever the idiots with whom I sometimes converse elsewhere claim that the orchestra, in America, is stuck in the 19th c. (or 18th and 19th c.), I like to point out that more than half of Garth Trinklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11084463787729969177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133191212130259662005-11-28T10:20:00.000-05:002005-11-28T10:20:00.000-05:00I agree with you both, which should be obvious fro...I agree with you both, which should be obvious from my comment about the reviewer's comments in the post. Still, we must admit that many people, and not just this critic, perceive most 20th-century music in this (ill-informed) negative way. The critic should oppose and not perpetuate that bias.Charles T. Downeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14978821617871429169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607352.post-1133189140476121932005-11-28T09:45:00.000-05:002005-11-28T09:45:00.000-05:00Francophile ionarts probably has heard of Poulenc'...Francophile ionarts probably has heard of Poulenc's Le dialogue des carmélites as well.<BR/><BR/>And there is also the completed and revised version of Prokofiev's War and Peace (Peace and War).<BR/><BR/>And also Jin Xiang's Savage Land (in Chinese), and Shigeaki Saeagusa's Chusingura (in Japanese).<BR/><BR/>Do you expect all music critics to be intellectually above average?Garth Trinklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11084463787729969177noreply@blogger.com